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Did you see the list...

Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:26:23 +0200

segler wrote :: Did you see the list of racers that Phil beat? Holy cow! Nice work, man!

--Rick

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Topic : US Nationals Final day report.
Started at 27th July 2010

Thanks for helping m...

Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:26:27 +0200

ThackeG67 wrote :: Thanks for helping me with my problems about Ignition, all of your posts was useful and informative. Great job!

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Topic : How long do you keep your 100% race masts ?
Started at 8th July 2010

easy to write well w...

Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:22:44 +0200

philmcgain wrote :: easy to write well when you race well. thanks Bill. hope your getting wind.

phil.

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Topic : US Nationals Final day report.
Started at 27th July 2010

tb, Lots of things ...

Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:10:06 +0200

Dan wrote :: tb, Lots of things to talk about.

It certainly is the case that modern camber-induced sails place the boom opening much higher than in the days of UP Sails. The reason for this is because the boards used with sails like the Titan have a much wider outline and the sail is raked to windward more to reach the rider. If the boom cutout was the same height as days of yore, the booms would be at your lower chest or stomach when sailing in the straps.

Your harness lines probably are too short to effectively use the sail. Get lines at least 24", possibly more.

Now the big thing, your mast. For starters, the diameter Bic/UP mast is much larger than a current, carbon mast diameter. The cams certainly will hang up on that old mast. Your mast likely is too stiff for the sail, and almost certainly the wrong bend curve. Without getting into the details too deeply, suffice it to say that a large diameter mast combined with excessive mast stiffness in the area of the cams will certainly impede smooth cam rotation.

If you can, purchase the right mast for your sail. The Maui Sails SRS 75 460cm is the mast around which the Titan 7.0 is designed. I promise that you will sing songs of joy if you put that mast in your new sail.

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Topic : 2009 Titan Rigging
Started at 27th July 2010

I've purchased a 7.0...

Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:47:33 +0200

tblake wrote :: I've purchased a 7.0 2009 Titan sail to replace an old 6.8 UP sail. I'm having some rigging issues that I'm hoping you can help with. The first is that the boom seems very high, above my shoulders. I'm more used to chest high and my harness lines are way too short to reach. The second issue is that I can't pop the sail to rotate on the cams when tacking. I have to push against the battons to rotate. The mast I'm using is the original fiberglass mast to a Bic Reggie and there's only about 4 inches of mast showing beneath the downhaul so a shorter mast will not make a huge difference in where the boom hangs. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Terry

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Topic : 2009 Titan Rigging
Started at 27th July 2010

Fantastic daily repo...

Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:35:41 +0200

billgrig2 wrote :: Fantastic daily reports , but the end results are awesome. Well done mate!!!

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Topic : US Nationals Final day report.
Started at 27th July 2010

US Nationals Final D...

Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:08:59 +0200

philmcgain wrote :: US Nationals Final Day.

2 course races, finishing the slalom and Freestyle today.

Race 11.
We started in light breeze again around noon, so I took my 11m. I got off the line clean and above most of the fleet near the boat. Headed to shore to avoid the flood tide and get the lifts from Chrissy Field. I tacked about 200 feet from shore, but could have gone a little further. Paulo was just below me and got some lifts coming up to the mark on port tack, so he rounded in first, Schurmann got around second after getting a lift on port and I rounded close behind in third. Downwind the places remained but Paulo and Schurmann were well clear of me at this point. Both of them headed out on port tack into the flood tide, so I decided to tack across back to shore and get some ebb tide which was still moving as the tide changes here in San Francisco Bay. I didn?t see those guys until I was getting close to the upwind bouy again and realized I had catch right back up again. Paulo rounded just in front of Schurmann, with myself about 50 yards back.

Downwind was easy, we just headed out the middle of the bay in the flat water and cruised downwind to the bottom mark. Paulo rounded well clear then Schurmann and myself slowly getting closer. This time both Paulo and Schurmann tacked across early to head inshore, I decided to stay on Port tack for a bit longer to set myself up for only one more tack to the finish. I went out to the flood line, then tacked across onto Starboard. Paulo crossed well ahead, however I could see Schurmann was close. He crossed in front of me, but I knew he wasn?t going to lay the finish and would have tack again. This was my plan. I went in shore, found my layline and banged over to Port. I had a nice lift and good line to the pin end of the line, but it was going to close. Schurmann was now heading to the finish on Starboard tack. I got to the pin end and rounded up into the wind to get second place by a few feet.

Race 12
Same strategy, start near the boat using the flood tide to my advantage, hit the shore and lift up to the top mark. It worked to perfection again and rounded ahead of Schurmann and Seth Besse was in third. Paulo decided not to race this one. I took my 10m in this race and was a little underpowered on the downwind leg. Schurmann got through me at the bottom mark, so I rounded in second. It only took a few minutes to get upwind of Schurmann and put my pointing and board speed to work. I could see Schurmann being lifted upwind and realized he had his 11m, which helped him downwind, but now he was having to work very hard upwind. Probably would have been best to head inshore, but I wanted to cover Schurmann and the rest of the fleet. By half way up the leg I was 100 yards upwind of Schurmann and still lifting, in fact flying on my 10m TR6.

I couldn?t see the upwind mark because we were so far outside, but realized I had to tack across. I tacked blind and was over laying the mark by a ways, but Schurmann went even further than me, so it was all ok.

I rounded a few minutes ahead and cruised downwind and upwind to the finish. Great to win the final race.

Slalom
We were seeded into 4 groups with the top guys in the black fleet, Peiter Bijl, Schurmann, myself, Metayer, Besse, Jean, David Wells, Xavier Ferlet, Macrae Wylde and Chris Radkowski.
The wind was up and the course was ready to go. First heat I started at the pin and rounded in first, but got passed by Pieter right after the bouy. The wind was light on the inside and blowing pretty good on the outside, so it was difficult no matter what sail size you took. Peiter won the first heat, me second, Schurmann third.

Heat 2. I started at the boat on my 7.6, rounded the first bouy in fourth, Metayer was first, Schurmann second, Peiter third. That was the final placings for heat two.

Heat 3. Everyone was now pushing the starts. I started clean just above the pin with Schurmann very close to the line, but had a clear start. He rounded first, Peiter second, myself in third. Well two people were overearly and Pieter and Xavier Ferlet was the culprits. So Schurmann won the heat, I was second, Metayer third.

Heat 4. Started again at the pin, Schurmann below me. No way I would have been as close to the line as him, it was very very close and there were no drops in this slalom scoring, at this point in time I had the overall title in the back of my mind and didn?t want any screw ups. Pieter Bijl was carrying his overearly score of 10 points, so I decided to make sure I got away clean, but not push the line. I had a good start, rounded the first bouy in third behind Pieter and Schurmann. That was the way we finished.

Ingrid Larouche won the womens slalom using a pursuit 6.0. She dominated with 5 bullets. Jordan Reid easily won the Juniors using a TR5, winning five of the six heats.

Slalom final results.
Schurmann
Phil
Metayer.

Very good 5 days of racing and very satisfied with my performance, both for my sails, TR6?s and my old trusty Starboard 158.

Phil McGain
Overall US National Champion.
North American Formula Class Champion (as first American is awarded the title).
Grand Masters formula class Champion.
Long Distance Champion.

Ingrid Larouche- Womens Slalom Champion

Jordan Reid- Junior Slalom Champion

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Topic : US Nationals Final day report.
Started at 27th July 2010

Can anyone comment o...

Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:32:04 +0200

segler wrote :: Can anyone comment on what the deal is (or might be) with mast weights and their possible relationship to durability? Specifically the SRS 550 and the approved alternatives, such as Ignition 550.

I, and others, have been breaking 550s on the beach during, or after, rigging. (In my case, it's with rigging on a 11.0 TR-4xt.)

Ignition 550, 2.15 kg, broken.
Ignition 550, 2.15 kg, broken.
SRS 100 550, 2.35 kg, broken.

So now I am now trying a Ignition 550, 1.98 kg. Will it last or break?

Reason I ask is that I have heard or read comments about the "heavier" masts performing better in the durability department. Is this real?

Thanks,

--Rick

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Topic : Mast Durability
Started at 26th July 2010

Phil, Great to see ...

Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:55:44 +0200

Ken900 wrote :: Phil,

Great to see the "older, but wiser" guy succeed. Great job. I would like to have been there, but just too far to travel. A great Formula turn out, I just hope the dedicated formula types keep it up and don't let it fade.

It would be nice to see the PWA throw in a couple of formula events to add to the diversity of the competitions. However, I guess traveling with all the gear makes it almost impractical unless you do Formula by itself or just with slalom.

The TR-6's are great. I have only been on my 9.2 twice, but what a pleasure to sail.

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

not a Great day for ...

Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:32:05 +0200

nonopr01 wrote :: not a Great day for MauiSail critiics. Now they have to eat their words.

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

As I am member of th...

Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:01:37 +0200

Onefoot Hannes wrote :: As I am member of the light-weight group I would like to try my TR 5.9 on a RDM. I have already tried it on RDM-cambers of a big australien sail-company, but those cambers pop off immediately, so I'm asking for help.
From where can I get cambers that would fit (I think Gaastra would fit, but they didn't answer any of my mails). Maybe Barry you could help?

Greets
Hannes

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Topic : TR on RDM
Started at 26th July 2010

Great performance, a...

Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:20:31 +0200

geo wrote :: Great performance, and great fun too, it seems: congratulations!
You got there and got the job done. For what I can understand, definitely your style.

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

thanks Barry, thanks...

Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:25:04 +0200

philmcgain wrote :: thanks Barry, thanks All. It was a very enjoyable 5 days of racing. Great to mix it up again with all the boys (n gals) on the race course. Maui sails was very prominant in all the events and divisions, everyone did great.

phil

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

Congratulations Phil...

Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:25:13 +0200

Ray Timm wrote :: Congratulations Phil. Great motivation for some of us older guys and the younger guys too.

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

what a great event, ...

Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:12:18 +0200

Barry Spanier wrote :: what a great event, all the way from the organization to the challenging but fantastic conditions. St. Francis Yacht Club is the most wonderful host we could ask for, with facilities and equipment that made courses and race direction seem easy. The tight gbroup of crew made it possible to have course races and good slalom courses work smoothly on the same day and all the good wind was never wasted. There was even a great demonstratrion of Freestyle that eventually became scored and gave us winners and more.

Phil was totally on his A-game and sailed like a young fella, especially commanding in the long distance race. He always had plenty of speed and angle going up wind which is especially good to see from my point of view. racing is always racin g, so speed isn't everything, butg when you have it, it gives you tactical choices you might not otherwise find.

of course San Francisco gave us winter time temps on most of the days so the cold added to the difficulty of staying on focus for everyone, but the locals said it was just normal.

It was good to see Andy Brabdt do his winning thing in freestyle on his new Locos, Ingrid LaRouche winning women's slalom on a Switch, blazing the other ladies. Jordan Reid won the Jr Slalom on his new TR-5, and Bryan Matcalf-Perez got to try out a TR-6 on loan from Casey Hauser to help him into second in the Yellow Fleet.

Today I'm headed for Cal Sailing Club to do a rigging clinic in the morning and spread the word about going fast and having fun.

OH yeah... Phil was THE man all round, winning the whole show through totally consistent performance. Great work and so good to see him get fired up like that.

aloha
barry

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

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Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:34:28 +0200

Clyde wrote ::

First winner of the Bill Weir Trophy as Overall US National Windsurfing Champion.

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

Congratulations Phil...

Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:39:51 +0200

MattL wrote :: Congratulations Phil,

after using my 9.2 XT TR-6 today, I can appreciate how you can concentrate on the sailing without having to worry about your equipment. The sails are great, the booms are great, everything works as one, synergistically is the appropriate term.

The "SRS" isn't just marketing hype - all the work and continual refinement is obviously paying off!!!

Thanks "Team" for your dedication ..............

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

quick report here. a...

Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:55:17 +0200

philmcgain wrote :: quick report here. about to sleep.

Overall US National Champion.
US North American Formula Champion
US Nationals Grand Masters Formula Champion.

today was 2 course races, used 11m and 10m, got a 2 and 1. then switched to slalom. got second in slalom to Schurmann, used 7.6.

will report more tomorrow.

phil

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Topic : US National champion 2010- MauiSails
Started at 25th July 2010

Phil you are showing...

Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:28:39 +0200

Rick Randall wrote :: Phil you are showing everyone how it is done!

How is that cutaway sail working....? Is that something we have to look forward to on the TR7?

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Topic : US nationals day 4. one CR and some slalom
Started at 24th July 2010

Day 4 US Nationals. ...

Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:58:42 +0200

philmcgain wrote :: Day 4 US Nationals.

One Course race and some slalom heats.

We got under way in about 10-15 knots on the first upwind, so definitely the lightest race so far, so most of us were carrying 11m sails. The contenders all got away clean. Our friend from Portugal Miquel Martinho was the smartest on the first upwind after going all the way inshore and pegging the upwind mark. I went about half way in and rounded in 4th after Paulo and Schurmann. By the bottom mark Paulo had the lead over Martinho, who were both fairly clear of myself and Schurmann who rounded 3rd and 4th.

After rounding the bottom mark, I made a quick calculation in my head, flood tide in the middle of the bay, ebb tide on the shore, lifts coming off the yacht club shore, so I tacked while the rest of the fleet headed out into the heavy flood tide. I hit the beach, tacked and basically saw I had over stood the weather mark, but at the same time, I could see the fleet way outside and was in a very good position to be near the lead. I saw Paulo coming across, but that was it, i had catch up alot. At one stage I thought I would catch Paulo at the upwind bouy, but he rounded in front of me. I was now clear into second and chasing Paulo downwind. Paulo rounded the bottom mark and headed to the finish to take the bullet, I got second, Martinho third, Seth Besse 4th and Schurmann 5th.
Slalom time.

We were still on the elimination heats to decide who was going to go into a final. The wind was very light on the inside, almost calm at time, so we had to take big sails. I took an 8.4 my first heat and took the bullet. Peter Bijl won all his heats as well. My second heat I got to change down to my 7.6 and took a clear victory. We sailed two heats each but the winds got lighter and lighter, so they decided to stop for the day.

Formula results after 10 races.
Paulo- 11
Phil- 13
Schurmann- 21
Besse- 34
Metayer- 35.

Today is supposed to be 2 formula races and then they are running the finals of the slalom which will determine the winners.

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Topic : US nationals day 4. one CR and some slalom
Started at 24th July 2010

[quote=LTU1001]Geo, ...

Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:35:03 +0200

geo wrote ::

LTU1001 wrote:

Geo,
Closing the gap and oversheeting is not the same.
...

Of course. But in my view TR's are easier than usual to oversheet, due to the relatively low lateral pull/back hand. If you apply the same sheeting force that is required by, say, a NP RS:R, you then easily end up in oversheeting.

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Topic : Qn for Gonzalo - Is it difficult to close the gap TR6 compare to NP
Started at 17th July 2010

[quote=TheoB]"settin...

Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:31:38 +0200

Dan wrote ::

TheoB wrote:

"setting up the lines so far back that you push with your front hand to sheet in"
Not sure i get this one, woudn't you have to move your harnesslines forward if you wish to push with your front hand to sheet in?

It would be that way if the lines were way too far back. I think Bruce Peterson sets them up a few cms farther back than the standard. It's worth noting that many top FW racers already put their lines aft in order to be able to sheet in upwind. I raced FW for years and found that video showed that only with the aft setting was I able to fully sheet in. When I made this change my upwind angle and speed increased and I could use a smaller/less powerful fin. All good.

Anyway, BP's tip came out in Windsurfing Magazine a few issues ago. You might also e-mail him via his website for more clarification.

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Topic : Qn for Gonzalo - Is it difficult to close the gap TR6 compare to NP
Started at 17th July 2010

Hi H2O, Try moving ...

Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:27:17 +0200

andersp wrote :: Hi H2O,

Try moving your mast foot forwards a little. That allows the sail to be raked back further while keeping the center of effort in the sail in the same place (relative to your fin). Use small increments (1/2 inch) until you find the sweet spot.

Good luck,

Anders

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Topic : Qn for Gonzalo - Is it difficult to close the gap TR6 compare to NP
Started at 17th July 2010

yeh playing around w...

Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:31:55 +0200

philmcgain wrote :: yeh playing around with it. The sail looks beautiful.

phil

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Topic : US nationals day 3. Long distance and Slalom
Started at 23rd July 2010

I see experimentatio...

Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:02:03 +0200

Troll wrote :: I see experimentation with boom cutout:
http://www.picyourshot.com/Sports/Winds … 9069_TaQ7X
interesting!

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Topic : US nationals day 3. Long distance and Slalom
Started at 23rd July 2010

TheoB, I think it s...

Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:08:58 +0200

LTU1001 wrote :: TheoB,

I think it should be the way you suggest. Its the only logical way for not to oversheet in lulls, but I would never set my gear this way. For formula I usually set my lines balanced, maybe a tiny bit more forward to have more power in my back foot to load the fin. For slalom I try to set it so I could keep sheeted in while overpowered, so I bit more back than normal.

Karolis LTU1001

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Topic : Qn for Gonzalo - Is it difficult to close the gap TR6 compare to NP
Started at 17th July 2010

"setting up the line...

Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:10:07 +0200

TheoB wrote :: "setting up the lines so far back that you push with your front hand to sheet in"

Not sure i get this one, woudn't you have to move your harnesslines forward if you wish to push with your front hand to sheet in?

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Topic : Qn for Gonzalo - Is it difficult to close the gap TR6 compare to NP
Started at 17th July 2010

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Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:46:26 +0200

Bogo wrote ::

Photos : www.shawnrdavis.com

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Topic : US nationals day 3. Long distance and Slalom
Started at 23rd July 2010

US Nationals Day 3. ...

Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:41:48 +0200

philmcgain wrote :: US Nationals Day 3.

Long Distance and Slalom today. Long distance race from the yacht club upwind a mile or so, then downwind to a gate off the Yacht club, then another gate down near the city, then all the way down to treasure Island, back up to the gate at the city and then finish off the yacht club.

I?ve done many long distance races in this Bay area and had some bad and good memories. The bad memories were leading by miles and then not knowing the course, so one of my goals today was know the course well, so I could really race it with confidence and tactically be precise with each jibe and tack. Obviously my good memories are winning the Classic 3 years a row back in the 80?s after messing up the two years before that. So I ask all the questions at the skippers meeting about the course and I DID pay off.

Long Distance started around 12.30pm after two general recalls. It was difficult to get the fleet back off the line with a full ebb tide charging upwind, but we finally got away clean with the threat of the black flag. I got a good start on starboard down near the pin and all the contenders rounded the first bouy ready for the ride downwind to treasure Island. Paulo got around first, then Sherman, Seth and myself, Metayer, were all very close. Paulo was screaming downwind, but wasn?t getting away from us. I picked up Seth and Sherman before the yacht club, so went after Paulo on the long downwind towards Blossom rock Gate near the city.

I headed out into the middle of the bay a bit to get more wind and managed to pick up a bit on Paulo. When we hit the second gate, Paulo wasn?t sure of the course and started to head back upwind, so I took my opportunity and flew through the gate and quickly spotted the next bouy North of Treasure Island. By the time Paulo discovered his indiscretion I was off to the races and out of touch. I rounded the bottom bouy with a nice lead and began the long slog back upwind to the gate and then to the finish. I kept an eye on Sherman and Paulo, but I was clearing out with each tack and was able to pick up some good shifts heading out into the ebb tide and then cruising up close to the city for the shoreline lift. Before I knew it I was looking at the Marina and then found the finish line.
I crossed a few minutes ahead of Paulo, with Schurmann in third and Seth Besse putting in a good race in Fourth place.

WE did a few slalom heats but eventually the wind died and they cancelled for the day. Peter Bijl won his heat as did myself and Schurmann.

More Formula racing tomorrow and maybe Slalom.

So for the North American Formula championship, you get double points for the long distance race.

The points now after 9 races (two drops).
Paulo- 10
Phil- 11
Schurmann- 17
Metayer- 28
Besse- 30.

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Topic : US nationals day 3. Long distance and Slalom
Started at 23rd July 2010

Race 1 on the day Ph...

Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:33:17 +0200

waterhound wrote :: Race 1 on the day Phil's first downwind leg was probably the most spectacular downwind race leg sailed on San Francisco Bay this decade. I was ahead of Phil at the mark and he dove my stern absolutely lit on the XT 10. Phil was going super deep with out any loss of speed. I say 'putting the hammer" down a lot but that was putting the sledge hammer down. Wow is just about all I could say and I had the best seat in the house to watch it.

David
www.waterhound.com

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Topic : US Nationals day 2
Started at 22nd July 2010